I totally failed to put in the link to the original article for the prior article on Holly Hill. I have corrected that at the top of the item. Sorry all!
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Over at Laura’s on her post “An Article that Teaches Wives How to Train a Husband Like a Dog” she received the below comment. I tried to respond over at Laura’s but was unable to do so, so I posted it here.
Are you really puzzled as to why there is a double standard?
It has to do with how women were treated in history–back in the days when beating your wife was legal, when women couldn’t own property, when their feet were bound and broken so they could hardly walk, when they were literally sold by their fathers into slavery (read recent Chinese history for proof).
Since there is a history of treating women almost like dogs, making a joke about it comes too close to home.
On the other hand, men are the ones who commit domestic violence the majority of the time (visit any shelter to see the battered, broken women there). They are the ones who control society through voting, physical strength, and discriminatory laws. So making a joke about teaching them to “heel” is far more palatable.
July 11, 2010 5:20 PM
Anon 520 (should that be 420?)
Your reciting the men-beat-women meme is completely unconvincing. The facts are that women commit DV at a slightly higher rate than men, as posted upon by Elusive Wapiti. Compound this with severe under reporting of female on male DV and it is no doubt significantly higher
To quote from EW’s article (note PV = Partner Violence, rather than the more commonly used Domestic Violence):
Feminist-friendly scholar Murray Strauss of the University of New Hampshire is a profligate publisher in the arena of PV. Last year, he published a paper titled “Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence: The Evidence, The Denial, and the Implications for Primary Prevention and Treatment”.
There are 200 studies that demonstrate equal rates of PV. Evidence that PV is symmetrical in context and motives has been available for at least 25 years.
The majority of PV is mutual combat, accounting for about 50% of PV incidents
Female-only PV is somewhat more prevalent than male-only PV
Female PV is a key antecedent of male PV; in other words, she often starts fights which result in the male fighting back in response. Moreover, female PV helps legitimize male PV. Both serve to increase the rates at which women are harmed in PV episodes.
This is also highlighted by a graph showing the acceptability of female violence compared the the acceptability of male violence. The above puts the lie to the feminist claim that men are the ones who commit DV the majority of the time.
The study goes on to say:
Symmetry in Coercion and Control
Both sexes use PV as a tool of coercion and control, contra to the feminist characterization of PV as a tool of the “patriarchy”**. Women who commit female-only PV (data for men was not provided by the studies Strauss quoted) offered the following reasons for their violence:
46% “My partner wasn’t sensitive to my needs”
44% “I wished to gain my partner’s attention”
38% “I didn’t believe my actions would hurt my partner”
38% “My partner was being verbally abusive to me”
43% “My partner was not listening to me”
90% assaulted their partner because they were “furious, jealous, or frustrated”
In a study of couples in the first three years of marriages, wives used slightly more controlling behaviors than men
In a study of college students in 1991, men attributed their violence to anger 37.5% of the time, while women attributed their violence to anger 57.6% of the time. Moreover, men reported a desire to control their partner 8.3% of the time, while women reported using violence as a tool of control 22% of the time.
Other studies reported that the motivations of coercion and control were slightly more prevalent in the PV committed by women than in men.
Note the petty reasons listed by these female DV perpetrators: Not sensitive to my needs, to gain my partner’s attention, My partner was not listening to me. These aren’t even reasons to be violent. How is it that the so-called gentler sex is committing violence because she is not getting attention? How does that equate to self defense, or the “evils of patriarchy”
I could go on and tear down some of the rest of your statement, but I will leave it at this one aspect for now.
The below article was not written by me, but by another much more eloquent than I am. However, after posting this, the feminasties came out and gave death, kidnapping and rape threats to its author so she pulled it. These threats no doubt come from the ranks of womyn who spend their lives and energies railing against rape and for the woman’s right to choose (so long as she chooses as they desire) This is a good post and deserves to be up and therefore I am reposting it. Enjoy!
Well, I’m going to get some heat for this one, but the analogy is worth pointing out. I can’t help watching the Dog Whisperer show without seeing that a husband can also apply the same techniques to his wife. The major theme that Cesar Millan tries to get across is that as a dog owner you need to show that you are the leader of the pack and that you want your dog to be in a “calm and submissive” state. Hmmmmm, sounds familiar, huh? Discussions from my post, Submitting Love, got me to thinking if only there was a ‘wife whisperer’ who could come in and teach husbands how to get a handle on their wives. Below, I will offer some suggestions that are adapted from Cesar Millan’s techniques.
If you are offended by my woman/dog analogies, please don’t start barking at me. It only proves my point. Afterall, how did women get referred to as ‘bitches’ in the first place.
Here is a clip where Cesar discusses how to give affection to a dog. As you watch, every time he says “dog”, put in “wife” instead. I think you will notice some curious similarities.
If you are only giving “heart and body” in your affection, you will be “dragged all over the place and she won’t care”. Sound familiar? Therefore, you also have to give “mind”. Notice the dog at the 1:53 mark. He says in that state, you can shower on all the affection you want, because she is being “calm and submissive”. He says most people share affection when the mind is, “excited, aggressive, tense, fearful, panicky, unstable; people unfortunately have a tendency to share affection in order to calm the mind down–that only intensifies the behavior. It says “I agree with that behavior”. So, in other words, when your wife is excited, aggressive, tense, fearful, unstable, etc., don’t share affection, it only intensifies the behavior.
The best thing to do may be just be to walk away and let the unstable moment pass until she then assumes the ‘calm and submissive’ state. At that point, lay on the affection. It’s positive reinforcement. The current cultural assumption is that when a woman is exhibiting any of those unstable traits, that you are suppose to console and comfort her. A man would be considered heartless if he walks away. Usually he is also considered heartless if he stays and says the wrong thing. So, what is a man to do? Often you just can’t win with either and unstable dog or woman.
I think it also depends on whether she is throwing a hissy-fit over something trivial or whether there is some tragedy going on such as: a death in the family, loss of job, etc. In those cases, affection is appropriate and timely. I am not saying that men should never give affection to their wives; I’m saying, “only at the right time”.
Here I found an article called, “How to Control Your Dog’s Behavior by Being a Pack Leader”. Below, I took some parts from that article and everywhere they wrote “dog”, I swapped in “wife/woman”. Some parts don’t apply, like “How to Put on a Choke Chain”. Believe it or not, I am NOT advocating that. Regardless, give it a read and you will see that it eerily makes sense. My extra thoughts are put in parentheses.
How to Control Your Wife’s Behavior by Being a Pack Leader
Is your wife doing a behavior that you don’t approve of? Does she pull you around? Do you feel that you can’t control her? Is it hard to take items (pretty things) away from her without being bitten (not literally of course)?To solve all the symptoms, we must get to the root of the matter. Your wife is most likely thinking that she is the pack leader, or at least she is confused about who is the pack leader. When you claim leadership, the wife is free and content to be a happy willing follower.
1. Good Reasons to be a Pack Leader
• Your wife will remain well-behaved, even around other women who may or may not be.
• Your wife will learn to respect your possessions.
• Reduces constant barking (or whining).
• Your wife will be less anxious and nervous.
• Your wife will be happier and more content.
2. Learn to Think like a Woman
• Realize that there are some areas where women do think like men, and some areas where they do not. This is important because often men will reinforce negative behavior without knowing it.
• Realize that women live in the present much more than men do. Just because a woman has done something for a while, doesn’t mean that she can’t change. In the same way, just because a woman has had a tough upbringing, or might have been abused, doesn’t mean that she can’t be rehabilitated into a loving, calm wife.
• Women do not have guilt or pity in their mindsets/thinking. If a man expresses these emotions, a woman will interpret them as weakness.
• Women can be given affection without being touched. A look can also convey affection.
• Women have different levels of excitability that they progress through. A problem woman that goes into a frenzy in certain situations cannot be corrected when she has reached her highest level of intensity. You must correct at the lower levels to prevent her from becoming out of control.
3. Learn the Pack Mentality
• Women have a pack mentality (or herd mentality). If you have a wife, you are a member of the same pack that she is.
• If a husband shows weakness when he first brings her into their pack, the wife will often try to become the pack leader herself.
• There will always be a pack leader. If you make sure that it is you, then you’ll be able to control your wife in any situation because they will look to you to see how they should react.
• A woman will try to become the pack leader if no one else is.
• Consider women in a pack (think women and their girlfriend cliques; think how one woman in that group always tends to be the leader and the other women follow whatever she does). Women are happier when they know their place in the pack. Your wife will be more content and happy when you consistently behave like a pack leader. If you allow your wife to be leader in the home, but want to be the leader in other areas, you will frustrate your wife. (The trick, as a husband, is becoming that one popular woman in the girlfriend clique who she will follow around).
• A pack leader … (I recognize some of these are more a wife’s realm, deciding about dinner, etc.)
Decides where the pack will go.
Decides when the pack will eat.
Decides who gets what food.
Decides who is allowed to bark (whine) and when (if at all).
Decides when the pack is allowed to play (decides when to separate business from pleasure).
• Decides what the pack is allowed to play with (decides who are appropriate friends that will exert good influences).
Decides how other members of the pack must behave (decides how the family should behave).
Decides who owns what.
The rest of the pack is not resentful of how this works. To them, it is normal. If you modify your behavior to fit to this model (when relating to your wife), your wife will be content because her pack is working the way her instincts say it should. ( I think that is particularly interesting, about how her instincts say it should work, NOT how society says it should).
When pack leaders correct children in their pack, they are rarely aggressive, but just assertive. Men must learn this combination of calm assertiveness to master their role as the pack leader
4. Be Calm and Assertive When Dealing with Your Wife
• Assertive is different than aggressive.
• If your wife knows voice commands, use them:
o Only in firm tones.
o Don’t use a high-pitched voice.
o Don’t speak in a cutesy voice, like you would to a baby.
o Do not speak in anger.
o Don’t say it as if you are asking the wife a question.
o If you give a command and you know your wife is purposefully ignoring you, stop giving the command, you’re just making it worse.
• If you have seen Star Wars, the “Jedi mind trick” is a good example of calm assertiveness. Not the waving of hands, but the firmness and calmness of the tone of voice.
5. Be the Pack Leader
• A less dominant man can become the leader of many much larger and stronger woman. It is a matter of attitude, not physical power or strength.
• Ways you can convey to your wife that you are the pack leader:
o Exit the house first when you go out. Enter first when you go in.
o Sit at the head of the table.
• Let your wife know what behaviors you, as the pack leader, don’t like.
• Be consistent to correct any behavior that you don’t want. Your wife will be confused if sometimes you correct her, and sometimes you don’t.
• Be assertive, but not aggressive.
• Do not yell at your wife. If you think you have to, you are doing something wrong.
• Share affection as much as you want, but only when your wife is in a calm, submissive state of mind.
• Women usually want to please men. Be consistent, so they understand what you expect of them.
• Be consistent. It will help your wife learn more quickly, and help them to trust you.
The last thing I want to bring up is that Cesar will often give a dog a little pinch when it is misbehaving. So perhaps a little pinch or squeeze of the hand will also do the wife good. Out in public, if she is getting too loud or annoying, or simply just not being respectful, give her a little sign that that sort of behavior is not acceptable. Works for me, and has caused me to bite my tongue. Sometimes it is also just a look. Come to think of it, don’t pinch—that will get you a DV charge–ha!
So say misguided Dutch union officials!
Lol. Its funny that they say “They are free to ask,” she said. “You are free to refuse.” Its funny because I can’t imagine that happening here in America. There would INSTANTLY be a sexual harassment lawsuit for such a request. Yet a union official takes it in stride and doesn’t push for a lawsuit. Just shows what a great divide there is between us and those across the pond.
Wow, such a simple saying, and yet it has made international news. The short story: A vicar in Britain, rather than give some mushy ear-tickling sermon, on the sunday prior to Valentines gave a sermon that included the verse that wives should submit to their husbands. Terribly controversial I tell you! From the article “One woman churchgoer said she was ‘disgusted’ by the sermon, adding: ‘How can they talk that way in the 21st Century?’ Disgusting I tell you! Apparently numerous womyn and their mangina enablers are never coming back to that church. So sad…
Know what is funny? Supposedly Christian women will flat out REFUSE to submit to their husband saying that either they just won’t do it or that “no one is going to do that anymore” but then go down a couple lines and claim that men have to love theirs wives because THE BIBLE SAID SO! The disconnect is striking, but they don’t even attempt to address it.
But there is some hope offered at the end of that article: A woman of 24 who was at the sermon said: ‘Isn’t it a vicar’s job not to tell you what everyone wants to hear and what society says, but to help explain the Bible says about issues?’ This young lady has the right idea. The Bible has much to say on our culture and the Church needs to start reading from it. They might lose lukewarm “supporters” as those mentioned above, but will regain a power that the Church hasn’t had in quite some time.
Another example of how men oppress women. And over a period of 10 years! The horror of it all.
I’ve been meaning to link to this post by Laura over at her blog Full Of Grace Seasoned With Salt She came across a rather lengthy letter written by a woman that was published in Harper’s titled “Female Suffrage: A Letter to the Christian Woman”
Its much too long and too many things I would want to quote to bring it all here. Its a good read and I recommend it highly. In fact, Laura has been on the Women’s Suffrage topic for a couple weeks. Might take a while to catch up on it but its all very nicely done.